In case you had any doubts the passage of the health care bill will be just as disastrous for Democrats and the labor movement as the rout of 1994, Rahm Emanuel is here to reassure you. It will be just like NAFTA! And Rahm thinks that’s a good thing.
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has been telling Democrats a win on the health issue will reverse the slide in public opinion, just as passage of another controversial proposal, the North American Free Trade Agreement, lifted President Bill Clinton in the polls.
Gulp.
If the unions aren’t listening, they better now. Rahm has been pushing through this health care bill for Obama and has had unions at his side, or at least neutralized. SEIU has been with the White House from the beginning on health care, and continues to support the legislation. And while the AFL-CIO has continually critiqued the bill and held its demand for a public option, the federation hasn’t opposed the bill or the White House.
The Senate bill will be, for all intents and purposes, the final health care bill. That means a Chevy tax on middle class health insurance, no public option, no employer mandate. This bill is so disastrous for unions that Jon Walker has warned “every private sector union will be dead in nine years,” once the Chevy tax kicks in to full gear. (First to go? AFL-CIO unions like CWA, which have given up wage increases for benefits for years. Last to go? Low wage workers like those represented by SEIU.)
While unions have been with the Democratic Party in calling for universal health care and reform for decades, they must recognize that where we are now is not acceptable. Indeed, by supporting this bill, unions are digging their own graves. So why aren’t they fighting? Unions feel they need to stay on the good side of Rahm and the White House in order to hang on to the last strands of labor law reform, which they hope and pray will come up (and pass) in the new year.
So we have a labor movement stuck in mud, knowing that reform as it exists is far from what the country needs, and even self destructive. Yet they’re fearful of opposing this terrible idea of reform in order to hold on to promises of future reforms to save themselves.
Sound familiar? Business Week, December 1993.
Likewise, labor will embark on a suicide mission if it withholds support [of NAFTA]. Clinton is probably as good a friend as labor can get. Indeed, a senior White House official says, the Administration will “redouble efforts” to push for worker-retraining legislation and a bill to bar the replacement of striking workers. And Clinton’s help in ending the flight attendants’ strike against American Airlines Inc. is a far cry from Ronald Reagan’s firing of air-traffic controllers.
But for labor and the Clintonites to reach an accommodation, union leaders must abandon efforts to stop immutable economic forces. Instead, they must take the lead in preparing workers to face upheaval. Labor and Democrats share an ambitious agenda that includes health care, job training, improved schools, and worker-safety initiatives. “We had an intense squabble, but it’s time to move on,” says Labor Secretary Robert B. Reich. After the passions of NAFTA have cooled, unions may discover they agree.
If unions want to save health care reform – and themselves – they must oppose this bill. Or else it’s NAFTA redux for everyone involved.



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Rahm will ruin the Democratic coalition (again!) and with it, any hopes working people have for a fair shake in the 21st century. He must go, and soon, if we are to help Obama turn his presidency around.
Anyone have any idea what sort of traction the call for Rahm’s resignation is having? I’m hoping it hasn’t fallen into a black hole.
screw rahm … he’s the “problem” imo … and ..after he’s convicted .. he needs to go to jail …
i voted for obama .. not rahm’s version of bush III
you no like …. ??? too damn bad .. i’m an indy .. and i’ve never been more disappointed in my whole 60 years …
rahm is the biggest mistake obama has made … and is the root of all the other policy disasters .. imo ..
dawn johnson in … rahm emmanuel out …
it’d be a good start .. imo
We can’t “work” with Republicans, only the President can do that — but we can BECOME them.
Now I understand.
I cling to the hope that the House, either by attempt at improvement or more likely through sheer fecklessness will sink the Senate bill.
the black hole of “Terra Terra Terra”
Someone needs to refresh my memory cells. Just when did NAFTA improve Bill Clinton’s poll numbers; was it just after the Dems lost their ass in the 1994 elections.
aka flyer, flyer, pants on fire.
“But for labor and the Clintonites to reach an accommodation, union leaders must abandon efforts to stop immutable economic forces”
thats how the caviar class see themselves. an “immutable force” gee, kind of like a hurricane, or a blizzard, or time itself. like god even. their insatable greed and avarice isnt a moral and ethical failing, and something the majority could contain, its the fith primeval alchemical element: earth,air,fire,water,corporate profits. Those silly unions better get on board with orahma,its their ONLY HOPE!
Condemned to repeat the past.
Trumka will fight back.
Remember, Rahm does President Obama’s bidding.
I think Dems real political strategy for 2010 is going to be a barrage of militarism. They are going to counter anti-incumbent sentiment with the old don’t-change-horses-in-mid-stream argument. That said, I agree unions should be opposing this bill more vociferously than they are.
Clinton actually remained popular personally, through both terms, and he remains so today. His presidency was still a monumental failure overall, both politically and policy wise. and for all the rest of us. THAT should be the lesson that axel-rod and obama are learning. of course, they arent.
‘zackly.
Bipartisanship for me but not for thee!
I think it more likely they hope to pass HCR and then spin it as the biggest improvement in health care delivery since Jesus healed the sick.
Yeah, NAFTA was a big political winner for Democrats!?!?! Rahm is clinically insane.
My two cents. Clinton came out reasonably popular with Democrats because the real progressives gulped and went along with cutting welfare and the globalization and because the stock market was soaring. A lot of us also were pretty enraged at the vicious attacks on him for his private sexual life.
My goosh! how fucking out of touch are these people.
He calls NAFTA ? NAFTA ? good ?.. yeah! for the corporations & CEOs
NAFTA fucked over many middle class families for chrissakes!
The unions are useless their leadership more interested in invitations to WH parties than what’s good for Americans workers.
Why the heck has no rallies to get in streets been organised tells you how much the unions care about their memebership,whose members are going to take a wallop from this Insurance bailout.
NAFTA good? Well what do you expect, congress people make 6 figures & every year regardless they give’emselves a raise.They can’t relate to the Americans supporting a family on 80-90K/yr.
Ever wonder why people like rahm and rove keep their jobs and never get prosecuted for any criminal wrong doing? They are advancing the agenda of those who are above the law. The ones that Naomi Klein writes about in Shock Doctrine , who make money off of catastrophe.
The Germans today are discouraged from even talking about the days they were fascist. They weren’t supposed to talk about it when they saw their neighbors disappearing. Our MSM is serving the same role as Germany’s during the run up and during WWII. Glorify war and their leaders. Minimize, harrass and persecute any opposition.Ever notice that during gbush’s reign democrats could not finish a sentence on TV news programs? It is a little better now.
I say Hitler was no worse than the US. At least he encouraged physical fitness and wasn’t destroying the environment, food and water for his own people.He killed white people instead of targeting browns with oil.Currently , we are looking to spread democracy in Venuzuela. They are brown with oil . Perfect scenario for our unique form of evangelists.
Look what has happened to Amy Goodman twice in the last year. She was not treated well covering the repub convention or trying to cross the Canadian Border for a speaking engagement. That sends a message to stay on message. You can find a good example of that kind of thinking on Daily Kos.I am sure if the large brains found there read my comment…it would read “they like Hitler.”
u make me laugh
Rahm -Fucking stupid.
It’s amazing so many need to view Rahm as bad and Obama as good. Obama can’t be this shrewd grandmaster of political chess calculation while also being the hapless dupe of Rahm’s machinations.To believe this contradictin means Rahm is doing a really good job.
BMcGarth says:
Its all a matter of perspective and if you don’t care about the country, the poor or the middle class NAFTA has been fantastic. The fact that its helping to destroy the middle class and the industrial base of the US isn’t a big deal to Rahm, Obama and his Corporate friends.
WHAT. A. DICK.
stick around and read more and you’ll learn that that’s not what we’re saying.
When the unions purged their leftists in the 50′s they became toothless. They still are despite the “bluster” of their “leaders.” Can’t wait for EFCA. They’ll finally see they have been sold out not only by their leaders but by the Democratic Party. Despite the delicate sensibilities of American ears it’s all about class struggle.
BECAUSE he and obama are corporatists and we have been dealt a trojan horse in obama
I’ll believe it when I see it, and not a moment sooner. So far my opinion on Trumka is that he is just like O: makes a good speech, follow thru not so much. Would love to be proved wrong on Trumpka.
Merry day after Christmas to everyone. Hope all was fun and celebration (and not too many family dramas).
Whatever they’re “saying” I hope Trumka and Stern lay the smackdown on him and call him out and make him explain just what they mean exactly.
very few people here believes Obama is either a chess genius, progressive or even “good”
most of us have resigned ourselves to believing we’ve been duped
What is Obama’s Achilles heel?
That looks just like the photo I took of Rahm Emanuel thumbing his nose at the Constitution in the National Archives building.
When I asked him why, he said, “Because I can.”
Of course he had to stand on a barrel of campaign contributions to see it.
So other than being condescending without saying anything.why don’t you give me a lesson slick.
Rahm is the DLC version of Rove, kingmaker, asshole, conniving bastard, manipulating prick, dupe, bag man, rat weasel, toady, scoundrel, wretch, rogue; informal swine, bastard, creep, louse, rat, ratfink, toad, snake, snake in the grass, serpent, viper, skunk, dog, cur, scumbag, scumbucket, scuzzball, sleazeball, sleazebag, slimeball, sneak, backstabber, heel, nogoodnik, nasty piece of work; dated cad; archaic blackguard, knave, varlet.
Himself
Hey, why don’t you tell us how you really feel. *g*
Think there is any chance Rahm will get thrown out on his ass?
Can we at least get some male cheesecake picks of O in a bathing suit in Hawaii? It’s the least we can ask for.
his entire policy is an Achilles heal since he can’t win the corporatist party, (they need him to fail)
if you mean what will hit him to make him respond and act, it would be his integrity
if we can get the message out, that his word is worthless, that he duped the voters and that most of his rhetoric are now considered lies, that will hit home
rham is playing rove though, protecting Obama from the collapse of the support he once enjoyed and believes he still owns
we need for Obama to find out he has lost the only people that will vote for him and the democrats
if he finds that out there is a chance he will do something progressive to appease the only voters that might keep him in office
Right. If President Obama was unhappy he could fire him today. I agree with the tone and direction of this post, but to blame it all on Rahm Emanuel is simplistic and possibly self-defeating. There are a lot of smarmy Villagers, ‘Centrist/Moderates’ and triangulation fetishists in the world and whoever the President chooses to rustle the legislature will be a reflection of the President’s will. Let’s not lose sight of that. The growing grievances on the Left need to be communicated to the one who used us to get elected, and will need us again.
The mods would ban me for ever….
Maybe a speedO
Doing the backstroke no doubt.
i’m stuck with obama … period .. so yeah .. i’d prefer he were “good” .. or could be bent that way by political pressure .. i’m not concerned so much with the labels as i am the outcomes ..
imo.. i’m not stuck with rahm .. and ..as i said .. imo .. he’s the root of the evil .. the ultimate corporatist lackey with obama’s ear ..
i have no idea of the measure of the real man .. but i think an investigation of his Fannie/Mac dealings would show him for what he is .. whatever that might turn out to be ..
i’m with jane all the way on that .. right and wrong have not a thing to do with political affilliation …
my big sticking point is: “ya dance with those what brung ya” … a rule which mr. obama thus far has simply shit all over …
CONCEAL YOUR INTENTIONS
Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind you actions.
If they have no clue what you are up to they cannot prepar a defense.
Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late.
If it walks like a republican, defends issues like a republicans, and hates progressives, IT IS A REPUBLICAN. (Barack Obama and Rahm are spraying smoke in the eyes of progressives)
No Public Option was a GOP concession
Taxing the “Cadillac Health Plans” (Union Benefit Packages) is a GOP concession
No Import Prescriptions is a GOP concession
Allowing Insurance to charge Seniors excessive rates is a GOP concession
Wealth Transfer is what HCR is all about!
Welcome to the Shock Docrine, Hope A Dope Style.
There’s always that, in which case I thank you for your discretion.
Please clarify, are you fer or agin him?
This is much more fun than beating up on Jane.
nolomos & Bluetoe2: Both good suggestions.
I didn’t count, but my impressions are that the comments went about 10:1 in favor of Jane in that thread. And I think Jane knew the kind of firestorm she would ignite.
You home safe and sound?
And how is the reality that Obama is a duplicitious empty suit that will do or say anything to win an election conveyed through the filter of a corrupted and complicit corporate media? Don’t say the internets because most people do not receive their information from the net. Obama is an American Quisling willing to sell out the American people for his political profit.
This whole process, as well as the resulting bill, shows how willfully ignorant our governing bodies are to the struggles the average American faces today. These people simply do not understand how life works if you are not a player in DC. The senate bill might be a good idea if it was 1963 and the unemployment rate wasn’t at 17%; wages for the working class hadn’t been stagnating for the last 20 years; the middle class still had good-paying union jobs with great benefits; healthcare costs had not gone through the roof; and college was actually affordable so graduates weren’t entering the job market with a raft of overpriced student loans and no prospects. And the abortion issue – no problems there. People were ready to really get on board with meaningful healthcare reform. It could have been a huge success for the dems. Now, people are just angry, scared and feeling a bit conned.
Rahm is just the bubo that pops out on your ass so you know your entire body is filled with plague.
Right now I am sort of ambivalent but you never know, I could be pushed either way by popular opinion.
Barack Obama is Rahm Emanuel. And they both share in common an utter inability to empathize with anyone outside their Bilderberg world. What the fuck do these Wall Street toadies know about punching a clock, living from paycheck to paycheck, watching their family fall apart when they lose a job or are wiped out from a medical emergency?
They are of, by and for the ruling class in Aamerica. It’s the only world either one of them have ever really known over the past 20 years.
Watch as, together, they gut EFCA. All in the name of “reforming” unions and giving the working man a fighting chance.
Truly, I may be wrong about this. After all, all I can go on is what I have seen so far. You know, collecting “empirical evidence” as the scientists say.
Hi Rat. Emoticons? I learn something new about you every day. But, you made Jane laugh, so I’ll overlook that smiley thing. *g*
There were a lot of Republicans who agreed with you. JD Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Andrew Mellon, Charles Lindberg. A number of them even liked the racial purity garbage. I don’t think even Rahm wants to go that direction.
Once that Gitmo on the Prairie detention facility is ready maybe we can bring Rahm back home to Illinois.
Hey, mommy, I got back home with both gloves & pocketbook intact & no family fights. How was yours?
Hi demi. I hope you’re having a wonderful holiday weekend. Having my sister and nephew over for dinner so gotta run. Maybe see ya later.
Bob says, “Hi.”
lolol!
Perris
It was a general comment directed at the progressive sentiments of many people. I agree that the FDL consensus is beyond such thinking.That’s why this feels like home.
My faith that the left would not easily be turned into an authoritarian cult has been restored; turns out it’s damn hard to argue for an uncapped slush fund for bankers and call yourself a “liberal.”
Eight years into Bush and I don’t remember this kind of fight on the right. They just all quietly started saying he wasn’t a “good conservative” toward the end and agreed not to mention it again.
I had just been wondering about you earlier. Glad for the good report.
I survived the lunch at my mothers. When my redneck nephew told someone that Fox News is the only media outlet that gives the whole story, both sides, I did a 180 and found a different conversation. My sons, who thank Gawd use their brains, either didn’t hear it or were polite enough to ignore.
Maybe I live in the FDL bubble too much, but I think I’m seeing signs that others are waking up to the reality. Poll numbers are not too negative yet, especially when you consider the condition in the U.S. when O took over, but they’re going in the right direction. And, no doubt, there’ll be a jump in response to the propaganda when HCR gets passed. But I sense there’s an awakening, not a religious one, in train.
Yes, relative peace and relative prosperity.
Of course, more peaceful and prosperous for some [tinier] segments of the population than for others. But trickle down can still work politically.
And maybe if the DLCers hadn’t gutted Glass Steagall, the bubbles would not have bursts and trickle down would still be working.
But sooner or later shifting better paying, union jobs [in the manufacturing sector] overseas was going to take its toll on the Middle Class.
It still is. And coupled with the economic crisis [on Main Street] there will never be a better time for progressives to start connecting dots that even the fucking Dittohead teabaggers can see.
Unless of course they fail.
Nah! Rahm is a avaricious bastard he has no dog but the dog of money. He is a product of the, circa, greedy 80′s. he surely gives not a whit about anything that does not profit him. He is way too shallow to think about fellow human beings even in racist terms. The man has no soul, he is a clintonite dlcer through and through.
Corrupt, thy middle name is Rahm.
Thanks for pointing that out. The cliche on the left is “herding cats,” and one of the mantras is that it differs most from the right in not being authoritarian. But that is subject to new information every day.
We didn’t do politics. I, an instigator in prior years, have learned my lesson.
I did have a very good conversation last night with my niece’s husband who’s a progressive, but hopelessly naive. Statements like: But they should do this, they should do that,” the long list of hortatories that are meaningless. I patiently explained that the shouldas aren’t being done for some very powerful reasons, like campaign finance, and he seemed to take it in. Got an email from him when I got home this afternoon asking for some links. It’s the best one can hope for. I told him to send some love, if not a campaign contribution, to Slaughter, his U.S. rep. In fact, I’ll send him an email to remind him of his civic duty.
Infinitely better than herding sheep.
Yep, but as I said, new info constantly available to reassess whether the cliche is still true.
And not too many years later the Democrats purged the party of the New Deal and the Great Society.
Lewinsky’s dress wasn’t the only thing stained in the Clintonm era.
Now we will watch as what’s left of the union movement and what’s left of the Democratic Party tackle Wall Street over EFCA.
What a long, drawn out, bruisng battle that will be!!
On the other hand, maybe labor will trip and knock itself out even before it gets in the ring. Unless, of course, Obama trips them first.
No more powerful aphrodesiac than power. As least as long as you can hang onto it. All the earlier union sellouts maintained theirs until they retired.
If Rahm is allowed to usurp the progressive agenda for another 3 years, Obama will end up a one term wonder. In every important Democratic issue, Obama has demonstrated weakness and appears misguided. Maybe all he has is “just a speech”.
Rahm’s attempt to steal credit for Dean’s 50-state strategy really was unseemly. He also advocated giving financial aid to two GOP candidates to defeat progressive Democrats. I think if you compared Rahm’s DNA with that of a weasel you’d find a match.
Fingering Lanny Davis is one thing, fingering Bilderberg, another thing altogether.
I keep waiting for someone to go there. You know, discussing “how things work in Washington” with Ed or Keith or Rachel.
Sad fact is though, few progressives are themselves familar with what Marx called “political economy”. Instead, they are more intent on exploring Enlightenment themes like “human rights”, “natural law” and, uh, “the pursuit of happiness”?
EFCA is dead.
same as DADT.
These were all ploys to get many of us on board to support a corporate Dem candidate.
Look for ‘em to sell backing more party selected Dems so as to pass EFCA and HCR.
You have to expose wider conspriacies by attacking the specific issues of the day. JMO.
Alas when Marx probed the uses of power during the Industrial Revolution, the class struggle was so much more clear cut.
Can you imagine Karl today, walking around in a daze, trying to reconcile Lenin’s “dictatorship of the proletariat” with Rahm Emanuel, the AFL-CIO, Caddilac health care plans, Wall Street, crony capitalism and the global economy?
He’d retire his pen immediately.
Honing and tuning. Always good.
Do you really expect Olberman or Rachel to cover how things work in Washington ?
Ed Shultz maybe.
Last week the hottest political story was the split in the Dem party over HCR.
Last week Rachel was still telling us how the GOP were delaying Senate HCR vote & Micheal Steele was in big time trouble.
WH party invitations are a badge of honor to many.
yes, Rahm Most CERTAINLY wants to go in the “racial purity” direction… but this time if you are an Iraqi, Afghan, Persian, Iranian, Russian, Venezuelan, Cuban, HONDURAN, or etc., you get to witness the majesty of Imperial Amerika in all her murderous glory.
(Just go ask the most vocal opponents of the State Dept/CIA/Mossad/Likud sponsored coup in Honduras… IF you can find any still alive.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lys-anzia/honduras-coup-detat-murde_b_334776.html
btw, those “hyper Christian Nationalist” Georgians & US/Israel trained (former Columbia U. law grad) dictator Saakashvili toadies in Georgia?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1834785,00.html
Well, once the Likudnik warmongers have used, and used, and used, the Georgians to do their dirty work, then THEY TOO will be every bit as “disposable” as the Hondurans and American factory workers are.
The writer did not cite where the quote was from. Third hand or more gossip and this is considered credible around here?
Sounds like someone has some unexamined jealousy
Yes, McGarth, back in 2008, we all rushed home to the TV, or DVR, to catch Countdown or Rachel’s latest frontal assault on the lies, abuses of power, and outright atrocities of the Cheney-Bush (twin) stolen presidencial administrations.
Now, Olbermann and Maddow for the most part give SIMILAR abuses of power and rank executive atrocities by the Emanuel/GolddamnSachs White House a huge “Free Pass,” although Olbermann has confronted the atrocity of the HCR bill on a couple of occasions.
But we all KNEW that this was going to happen… the “major media” cartel was going to give us SOME “free press” reporting when Bush & Cheney’s DESTRUCTION of the US economy first hit American’s like a 2×4 across the face, but now that Emanuel & the GolddamnSachers (JP Morgan, Citi, and other big banksters) are trying to INSTITUTIONALIZE the destruction of the US economy as “THE NEW NORMAL,” the corporate media start shutting down the info sources.
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“Welcome to the Shock Docrine, Hope A Dope Style.”
well said, jedi!
Agree with your outlook, Jane. As bad as Emanuel has been, he was Obama’s first cabinet announcement as I recall. Then, Summers and Geithner were soon to follow. So I can’t justify any disconnect between the poor leadership and Obama himself and have to assume it is what it is. Since Jan 07 and the 110th Congress, there has been one disappointment following another. The Democratic party has defied the very moderates and Independents who offered them an opportunity to lead. I always distrusted the Republicans, but I have learned to distrust the Democrats too.
They already have. But only up to a point. Read Olberman’s special comments on the health care legislation. He bluntly attributes the “deal” to money and legislative favors that pass back and forth between Congress and the health care industrial complex on Wall Street. Rachel often names names as well in making these connections.
But it is all rather vague and it is linked largely to personalities and parties, rather than to crony capitalism per se. The very nature of these transactions are not explored in the manner in which Marx linked the government and the economy through “political economy”.
What I am curious about of course is why this is? Do they not see this link [as I do]? Or do they see it but respect the leash they know they are on? I don’t know.
Nor do I pretend that how I see these connections is how they, in fact, are. They can only be the manner in which I piece the variables together instead.
In the end, for each of us, there is always the aggregation of material facts to consider. And then the manner in which, in connecting them as we do, we venture out further and speculate as to “what they mean”.
None of us are omniscient though. We only know some of the facts. And none of us are able insist that what we think our own collection of “the facts” are then allows us to ascribe necessarily What They Mean. That is always predicated instead on assumptions we make about human behavior. And on the manner in which we were raised to view the world around us.
It’s all profoundly problematic.
Rahm will also give us Magic Ponies! Huzzah! Stop hatin’ and get you some Rahm-Ade! http://www.dailykos.com! I need more!
Jane did a thread here in August about Rahm and the “veal pen”.
Pretty interesting ,especially in light of current circumstance.
And comment #17 refers to handicapped activist Sherman Skolnick and his prolific work on Chicago politics.
Skolnick knew a lot about that subject-Chicago was his hometown.
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Definitely worth a look,imho.
FDL Action » Rahm Goes Apeshit on Liberals in the Veal PenWell,be careful what you ask for. Try Googling Rahm Emmanuel and Nugan Hand Bank. Or, Rahm Emmanuel and Sherman Skolnick. …
fdlaction.firedoglake.com/…/rahm-goes-apeshit-on-liberals-in-the-veal-pen/ – Cached
the black saviour will give us more of the same.
and folks lined up to vote for him like they did reagan.
when will americans learn one simple lesson
follow the money and you will find who the gov represents.
hint it is not us.
good for rahm he knows how to screw americans decade after decade and get by with.
this is change we can believe in. :-)
Right, because Rahm’s other allegiance, Israel, has never taken the position that people of a certain racial extraction are qualified to be first class citizens.
It is obvious he and Obama are only interested in keeping the flow of corporate dollars to the Dem class… that is their only goal.
not in actually helping middle class Americans… as Obama so vociferously campaigned on.
Well, I already did a trial run… and got HR’d many times over.
All I said was, was that I used to wonder how Hitler could get so many people to follow him… how did he get people to turn off their brains?
Then I got a clue with the 20% who never gave up on Bush.
And now we’re seeing the same thing with the blind allegiance of many (not all thank God) at DK who go apoplectic if you DARE to criticize Obama! “Why, he’s got a lot on his plate! He can’t be expected to stand up for us!”
Man did the shit hit the fan when I said that… all the morons posted that I was saying that Obama was Hitler… they are simply incapable of nuanced thinking.
I was saying that blindly followint ANY leader is the very wrong path to go down… witness Bush and Hitler.
Maybe those Quakers at that school are actually holding Sasha and Malia hostage. See, Obama really would help us if he could, he just can’t!
thanks for the links. I’ll check them out.
yes… that great sucking sound isn’t your job / manufacturing base going overseas (i.e., Mexico – you know, that place the repugs are blaming for all the drugs and illegal immigrants: get the correlation?)… instead, its the sound of your money being vacuumed from your wallet / bank account directly to the corporatists and lobbyists… ala TARP…
Disagree. Actual intent is revealed in patterns of behavior.
Isn’t that inherently problematic?
After all, it just begs the question: what are “patterns of behavior” embedded in?
Lots of things:
historical era
culture
childhood indoctrination
race [in a racist world]
gender [in a sexist world]
sexual orientation [in a homophobic world]
biological and psychological predispositions
unique individual experiences
unique individual relationships
etc etc etc
I am an existentialist. So the manner in which I view human identity is as “dasein”. The “I” that is thrown into a particular demographic smorgasbord at birth and then is ceaelessly evolving and changing from the cradle to the grave.
Also, as a nihilist [which flows inherently from atheism], I am a moral relativist. All human ethical and political values reflect only particular points of view. There are no “universal” [or what Kant called "deontological"] sets of values such that we can know a priori which behaviors are Right or Wrong, Good or Evil.
Problematic in that sense, in other words.
Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com/2009/12/under-radar-obama-pushes-for-patriot.html
Obama is Rahm’s Bi***. Sorry to say, but it’s clear as a bell to me.
Try referencing the Milgram Experiment. There is uncountable millions of people that will follow any authority figure like a robot. Individuality and the ability to stand up to selfish self appointed authority has been practically culled right out of humankind by murdering tyrants since the beginning of time.
There are two groups of people that make this kind of tyranny work. Those that realize the world is their oyster if they can eradicate that little nuisance called a conscience and goodwill toward others and those who think they will be rewarded like little children waiting for ice cream if they do as they’re told and actually enjoy submitting to authority to a strangely submissive degree.
In politics, 80% is usually good enough for “guvmint work,” as it goes. We don’t always need absolute certainty, a regular compass point does just fine.
One can impute intent from repeated actions, that is, cooties attach to the action rather than the individual until the individual takes actions that have the same discernable consequences over and again.
What Olberman and Maddow do not mention is the repeated bait and switch of the Democrat Party, the way that it is used to herd half of the country off to the slaughter like clockwork. Indeed, the case can be made based on media criticism over the past several decades that corporate media would not give us the time of day via Olberman and Maddow unless doing so strengthened their position and did not bolster ours. Yes, capitalists will sell you the rope to hang them, but the gettings are so good at this point that they’re not quite ready to sell you their nooses.
NAFTA simply put the final nail in the coffin of US industrialism. Look at the old industrial giants of the midwest–East St Louis, Gary, Youngstown, Detroit, Flint, etc….
Abandoned factories…miles and miles of urban rot…
This is the real America.
We produce nothing. The empire is crumbling and nothing can stop it.
NAFTA may have “lifted Clinton in the polls”, which is debatable. But what is not debatable is that it demoralized Democratic base voters, such as the union voters, who stayed home in droves in 1994.
Obama, Clinton, can’t tell the differance.Telling us the middle class workers and producers thay will take care of you. There jealous and greedy two faced speek with forked tongue. These people place more on apperance than substance. Sneaky and secretive.Never admits doing or being wrong.More right and rightious than anyone.Walking on your future generations to elevate there station in life.Hi IQ low intelligents.Thanks for NAFTA jobs for the USA. Thanks for this conglomerate ran insurance death health. There time in power will be short.Damage thay do we will write the history.this is the imformation age.Obama and Clinton will not write there own history.As much as thay try.
The real Norma Rae not only had troubles with poor working conditions and low wages 26 years ago but she died last year battling the health care industry. Seems like we’ve just gone ina circle and are back to square one some times.
http://www.uaw.org/solidarity/09/1209/feature05.php
When the GOP takes over Congress in 2010, Obama MAY fire Rahm. Maybe. He’s not sure.
Yes, “for all practical purposes” that’s the way it has to be. Otherwise we’d never get anything done….or evaluated and judged.
But I make [what to me] is an important distintion: The difference between not needing “absolute certainty” and understanding that, with respect assessing right and wrong human behavior, there can never be moral absolutes.
Michael wrote:
Is that the EFCA or something else?
We should ‘soak the Rich’, not the unions. But, that said, I don’t think the original idea of taxing ‘cadillac insurance plans’ was thought to include union plans. I think that wasn’t realized at first. Now we know and there would be no excuse for allowing that to stay in the bill. We have to put the cost where it should be.
Maybe we should pair up EFCA with reimportation of drugs. wouldn’t it be a hoot to get McCain’s vote on EFCA, so he can get the reimport he wants? Heh.
At the moment his Achilles Heel seems to be the Liberals who are far too idealistic to make the compromises he okays. Of course, the Liberals are great for energy, ideas, focus and conscience. We just have to combine that with some political savvy.
Yes, Clinton was hardly a Progressive. He had a conservative political environment to work in and his admin. may have seen a lot of their efforts as merely limiting the damage the Congressional Repubs wanted to inflict.
Imagine how NAFTA might have come out if we had a George McGovern or Bobby Kennedy or even Barack Obama with a Dem Congress. A lot depends upon the whole of government and not just the presidency.
Heh. Good one. I’ve never heard anything like that before. Weasel DNA? Heh.
There’s a natural connection. Take for example the civil rights movement of the 50s-70s and how a lot of people began to move from voting rights to economic issues like getting a bank loan or eliminating all-white neighborhoods and eliminating glass ceilings. In our society it’s inevitable that the fundamental rights, once established, should lead right into what’s necessary for prosperity. That’s why I think Bobby Kennedy was a natural next step after LBJ and why Clinton was a good next step on economics.
The Republicans see that and they create a plate-o-spaghetti mess for Obama to deal with. It just means more work to do for 8 years.
In the current HCR bills what would (or should) be given up to get the public option? Is there a deal to be made which we would all like?
Sucking sounds … not good.
What is it about the way NAFTA works that most needs to be corrected to prevent so many jobs going away?
Increased trade is great, but losing tons of good-paying jobs really does suck.
Uh, no. I can definitely speak from experience on that. Intent is often only a narrow band of activity and much of other activity occurs because of subconscious influence or (more-or-less) random reaction to external forces.
Intent, unless it covers the entirety of the activity, isn’t always noticed. Also, whatever action chosen may backfire or be ineffective, so the intent isn’t seen.
Effect & behavior indicates something, but not always what you’d think.
question is- who is the Democratic Party now?
Do you honestly think that Russia and China and India will tolerate it?
Don’t blame the Republicans.Look at history. This started with the jelous actions of one spoilt Senator and the Senate Klan Democrats. Thay gave us Reagan.It’s all about me Ted Kennedy.Started the ball bounceing.Ted and the Senate Democrat Klan would make sure Carter term was not productive.Stoped the foward progress of Americans Poor and Middle Class. That action from a jelous kid and his senate klan gave us Reagan,Bush,Clinton,Bush and now Obama.Where the Democrats walk on the poor and middle class pushing us down more than the Republicans.
Barack Obama is most grateful for the misdirection that Rahm provides. That’s why having Rahm nailed for wrongdoing is a great way of forcing Obama to take ownership of his agenda.
Keep the pressure up with the White house on transparency and accountability which was the president’s mantra. Write the President and Senators regarding denouncing Rahm-the-bomb and holding him accountable to his Freddie-Fannie days.
although I am a recovering hero worshipper, I continue to have some faith in Mr Trumka, but what the hell he’s waiting for at this stage is beyond me