President Obama makes a bold statement to audience members at a town hall in Iowa yesterday. “I am a pro-union guy,” said Obama to a union member woman who asked how Obama would “continue to support” union members. Wow! …
Obama went to state generations-old victories by unions, like child labor laws as part of the benefits of unions. In fact, his whole statement is a knee-jerk defense of baseless union stereotypes. Rather than talk about the relevancy of unions in the modern workforce, how joining a union makes your workplace safer, healthier, more secure, and better paid, he goes through stereotypes like unions “make us not competitive,” unions “get a better deal…not through force, not through coercion” and refutes them.
You kidding me? Reinforcing corporate talking points and stereotypes about unions isn’t what a “pro-union guy” does. If they’re brought up to you, absolutely refute them. But for this to be Obama’s default response to a union member supporter about how Obama will help unions is just mind boggling.
Read his comments in full and see what you think.
“I’ve said this before publicly and I’ll say it again, I make no apologies for it. I am a pro-union guy.
“Our unions helped build our middle class. We take for granted so much stuff — minimum wage laws, 40-hour work week, overtime, child labor laws. Those things wouldn’t have happened if it hadn’t been for unions fighting for those rights. So even if you’re not a member of a union, you’ve got to be appreciative of what unions have done.
“Now, a lot of things that we do don’t get a lot of notice. We don’t always generate headlines. But a lot of things that we’re doing have to do with how is the Department of Labor operating to make sure that workplace safety rules are enforced; to make sure that if the federal government is helping to finance a program, that we’ve got a project labor agreement in place that assures that people are paid a decent wage and they’re getting a fair deal. Who am I appointing to the National Labor Relations Board, so that when a union tries to organize, it doesn’t take five years before you can even get a ruling, and then it turns out that the ruling somehow conveniently always is against the union.
“So there are a lot of things that we’ve been doing administratively to try to make sure that people just get the fair chance to organize.
“Now, look, some people don’t want unions, and that’s great. If you feel that you can look after your own interests, I respect that. But what we — but one of the things that we stand for as Americans is the freedom to decide I’m going to join with my brothers and sisters at that workplace to try to get a better deal — not through force, not through coercion, but just by us agreeing to bargain. And we just want to make sure that there’s a level playing field in that process. That’s something that I strongly believe in, and it’s part of the American tradition.
“And sometimes people say, well, unions are what’s making us not competitive. Well, that’s just not true. Unions are only, at this point in the private sector, probably less than 10 percent of the economy. So the notion that somehow that’s what is creating competition with other countries that pay lower wages, that’s not the case. The fact of the matter is that is what’s going to help us become competitive is if we’ve got middle-class workers making middle-class wages with middle-class benefits, who can then go out and shop, and support a family, and buy a new car and pay their mortgage, which will create more business opportunities and maintain America as the greatest market on Earth. And if we do that, then we’re going to be successful.”




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I’m sympathetic to your broader point, but right now I am just elated to think that thousands of posters will be printed up that show Obama’s picture with the legend “I’m a pro-union guy.”
how will that be helpful for people to think he’s pro-union when he’s not? i don’t understand what makes you happy about this. could you explain?
And I look like Angelina Jolie. Riiiiiiight.
Dear Obama:
Actions speak louder than words. Pass EFCA.
or STFU.
Thank you.
Really!
I’m a union guy who endorses Arlen Specter and Plantation Blanche Lincoln… while giving up Teddy Kennedy’s seat so I can screw the collective pooch on health costs.
yeah, right.
so arne’s attack on teachers is pro WHAT?
I know how fracked up education is, I’m 50 and a high school math teacher – my fifth year! Know what is different today from 30++ years ago … the problems are worse!
The management of education actually has a LOT in common with the managements in the private sector – they’ve evaded real workable solutions, they’ve rewarded each other for bigger degrees, bigger job titles, and bigger powerpoints, and they’ve accomplished little more than keeping their jobs. However, at least in the fake “private” sector, KBR & BP & Exxon & AIG & AHIP & PHARMA have been fabulously successful at screwing the entire community, AND, lining their pockets !!
and what has education management concocted to fix things? blame the teachers! yeah! get arne to blame us peeee-ons!
O-Sell-Out can stuff his hopey changey schtick.
He should just stick to sticking it to us on behalf of AHIP & PHARMA & KBR.
rmm.
If Obama is such a pro union guy, I’d like to know why he appears to be supporting attacks on teachers unions and public education in general. Is Obama good friends with Mayor Bloomberg or something?
Sh&t. It appears he already quite cosy with Lieberman and Graham.
And they’re using seasoned teachers as “substitutes.” Kind of like temps. Only now Bloomberg vows to get rid of those.
Why are they targeting teachers? That is the backbone of education.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2010/04/20/2010-04-20_chancellor_joel_klein_wants_substitutes_who_cost_the_city_134m_this_year_axed_af.html
Yeah I know it’s Daily News. But a friend sent it to me because the article targets teachers just like herself.
If you want to attack Obama, particularly as to his support for unions, that is fine. But, using this speech as your point of departure and characterizing it as “reinforcing corporate talking points” is, at a minimum, less than persuasive.
Good one Obama! I guess that’s why you appointed so many Hamilton Project heads and members to your administration, who want nothing more than to outsource every job in America and finally kill manufacturing for good.
the new york times and the boston globe both had articles this week about seniority reform blah blah blah.
I can promise you that LOTS and LOTS in education must change – teachers AND administrations AND idiotic laws AND unfunded mandates AND dumb lawsuits AND college of ed incompetents AND policies made by the clueless –
however, blaming us ONLY makes sense if you’re 1 of the droolers who thought Raygun was gonna get the government off the backs of the people, OR, you got your head up your ass, OR, you’re 1 of those sell outs, OR, you’re sadly sadly sadly mistaken.
I had friends over for atheist easter, and I had to spend 1.5 hours redirecting hard core liberals who didn’t realize how effective the anti-teacher lies have been!
I do partially blame our union leadership – just like congressional dems, each were hired to beat these lying bastards. I wasn’t hired to beat the fascists, AND, I already have a full time ++++ job.
Should any sentient being be shocked that fascists want to wreck 1 of the last unions with middle class wages and benefits?
rmm.
Have you watched Harry Potter and the order of the phoenix? My friend says it’s a pretty good description of what teaching in NYC public schools is like, with management and decrees and all.
Unions make us noncompetitive sorry outsourcing our tech does. Why foreign countries I am quite sure send spies to figure out how the manufacturing stuff works and copies it.
Like our computer chip industry which I believe is almost gone now.
Outsourced jobs and high tech immigrant jobs teach foreigners our tech Bill Gates for example should really wonder why China has so many illegal copies of his software.
The music and film industry has lost how much money because we exported our expertise?
Thomas Friedman is an idiot.
I’m a sentient being and I’m still shocked.
& I think they need to reverse the No Child Left Behind Testing horrors? Did management start becoming top heavy before or after that?
& what could the unions have done better?
I’m on the other coast, different ocean – in the pacified northwest, state of wishy-warshy.
What he said is ok with me. But what he says is always bullshit. Shut up do your job, guy.
I’ll have what you’re having.
come on! the assault makes “sense” – who else are they going to trash?
Goldman Execs? AIG Execs? AHIP & PHARMA slimeballs? KBR profiteers? Westinghouse retirees? Enron & Worldcom & WAMU employees? Steelworkers?
rmm.
We need tariffs on slave or wage slave labor products NAFTA has got to go.
Ah well, at least we know where Obama’s priorities lay. He’s laid out a lot of money for defense (more than Bush) and correctional facilities. Kind of scary if you string it together: No public ed, no jobs, but lots of jails and weapons.
Why shoudl they trash anyone. you mean “sacrifice”. “sacrifice” made for that illusory deficit pie in the sky that’s going to smack us the face and then we’ll be speaking Chinese, when actually that deficit is smaller than the one run up by FDR.
Keep talking deficit and goopers and dems can cut and cut and say no money. Because they have seniors running around saying no money, because everyone in the media is saying no money, except I was taught when they say they have no money they mean they have no money for *you*.
CEO pay should be 50 times what the lowest paid worker gets or 20 times what the average worker gets which ever is lower.
This would push CEO’s to raise workers wages.
Why do that well with Tariffs keeping low wage products out and our tech in our stuff can compete if our stuff can compete in America the world’s biggest consumer market do we really need foreign markets if our workers are getting paid more?
The more our workers get paid the more they buy. Why try capturing foreign markets when the American consumer outspends them all.
Makes sense to me. Why buy a dish washer that breaks down x4 in the first year. when service guy says it never happened before, he means it never happened before they started using cheap imported parts. But is it possible to buy a dish washer completely made in the U.S. I often notice stuff from 30s-70s tag sales/thrift shops is far better quality. After 70s-80s quality dips.
This just smells like a crappy photo-op, nothing more. Like someone said upthread, pass EFCA if you really are a pro-union guy.
Absolutely. I have an umbrella (yes, an umbrella) from the 60′s that is STILL together. And I used to live in Chicago with very high winds. It was built with quality and craftmanship.
The attitude of building something to last has been vacant from American business for a long, long time.
Yeah notice how solid some 70s kitchenware is. Thick glass. Thick plastic . Motors still good. And seams of clothes as well. The fifties apparel looks and feels bullet proof
they SHOULD trash people cuz they’re fascist parasites, and since the dawn of agricultural surplus most societies have had a parasite class using everyone so they can be parasites.
SHOULD people be selfish, greedy, pig headed? no, but they are.
I think 1 of the greatest mistakes made in dealing with these fascist bastards is how too many Dems / Liberals / Progressives pretend it is all some ms. smith goes to washington high school debate club, and we’ll all just get along after the debate is over. No we won’t. they want us as serfs, doormats, cannon fodder … and when they pretend differently, which they do ALL the time, they’re lying.
Expect the unreasonable, and you’ll be better prepared for strategies other than the Dem strategies I’ve experienced since before I was a 20 year old 4 buck an hour cook in 1980 – whining that lying, stealing fascist bastards aren’t nice, have lied, and have stolen.
rmm.
I used to work in a DA’s office. During an all-hands meeting, I asked him a question – having to do with the goals of a TQM exercise, but in yes/no format, and got a similar response to this one. When he got done, I said, “That’s nice,” and repeated my question. He choked on his lips for a minute before grinding out a Yes.
This woman probably sat down and gave up control of the mike. Bad move.
Jane Hamsher is upstairs!
Late Nite FDL: Welcome to Third Round Semifinal Voting of “Name Our Pot Campaign” Contest
Translation:
“Ive never admitted this before but I’m a hardcore rightwing Republican screw the people guy and I make no apologies for it.”
There. Fixed it.
I don’t see how that helps anyone but the corporations if at the end of the day Obama tosses unions over in a “I’m a pro-Union guy” t-shirt. That just let’s them say “Seeee! Even the pro-Union president says they are being unreasonable”. It doesn’t help your cause one bit if he does to labor on EFCA the same thing he did to, well, everyone on HCR.
He gains credibility from unions … not the other way around. They shouldn’t ALLOW him to wear such a T-Shirt until we see where he falls on EFCA. Notice, he isn’t exactly pushing it anymore since purchasing the union vote from Stern, now he’s free to go for that sweet corporate cash. When is the bill scheduled for debate again? I thought they were going to pass it end of 2009 … guess maybe after they attack the energy bill or maybe immigration or DADT … that puts us what, 2011? Or do we have to wait until 2012 because Rham has calculated just the right watered down bill and dog-and-pony-show to get union guys to the polls without hurting his corporate buddies at all(my personal guess)?
It’s pretty easy to say “I’m a pro Union guy.” wake me when he unequivocally endorses card check so currently-non-union guys can start getting in on the BS back room political deals too. “Right to Work” makes organizing all but impossible (we call it the “right to fire”). We need *strong* pushback from the left to create some operational space for progressive ideas or our states are going to stay back-asswards forever; the local systems are specifically designed to crush us. All we are getting from the unions are watered down political hacks behaving like celebrity agents when we need true solidarity and organizers more than ever before.
The unions were co-conspirators in passing (rather than opposing) the fascist HCR. The Obama administration and healthcare execs must love the unions for their fighting to harm the public while making corporate lobbyists even more powerful than they already were. Hooray for the unions for working to benefit PhRMA while putting a yolk on the public.
That was probably sarcasm.
Obama….do something….
Do you mean “Do something”
Maybe his next battle should be a “pro union” battle that’ll go the way of the bailouts and HCR…
Set up a way of automatically getting into a union while a hidden paragraph outlaws any american from hiring anyone in that pool.
That’s be classic ‘bama.
from here
Sure.
The poster that I mentioned will help union organizing immeasurably. Young people, African-Americans, new immigrants, etc. will see that being pro-union is a mainstream, Democratic thing. This is particularly the case in the African-American community, where there is the a widespread feeling that unions are white institutions that don’t care about black people.
These statements by Obama will help union organizing, and strengthen the place of unions in the Democratic coalition. In my mind, that’s a good thing.
I don’t think your statement that Obama isn’t pro-union is justified.
He’s done a number of things — pro-union appointments, executive orders, policy initiatives on green jobs and government contracting — that have the union haters screaming their lungs out.
I want, and expect, more from Obama on unions. One thing that he can easily do is make public statements in support of union goals. He did that yesterday.
Well, Twain, I’ve read any number of your comments and you seem like a very attractive person to me. :)
How it’s possible that a guy who pushed hard for a 40% excise tax (and got one, delayed or not) on the health care benefits of middle-class union workers…and then has the nerve to call himself a “pro-union guy” is beyond me.
This is a very cynical man. Uniquely cynical.
I read what he said and I dont think your point is valid. Maybe I am slow.
You mean he made a predictable and by now hackneyed attempt to co-opt union goals into his program of center-right policies? If so, then yes.
I mean, really:
Can the man not take a clear and consistent position on anything? Does he not realize he doesn’t have to placate everyone? Or is he just stringing us along?
He was a pro-public option guy, too.
Sorry, but for the President of United States to say “I am a pro-union guy” is far from predictable and hackneyed.
Obama is the most union-friendly president in 30 years, maybe more.
I want, and expect, more from Obama on unions. One thing that he can easily do is make public statements in support of union goals, and he will do more of it in the future if we demand it of him.
and he was a Stop The War guy …